More Ignorance Discovered

the following ignorance was posted here by some conservative girl. I'll put everything she posted in italics.


March 8, 2005 • Tuesday

A Pointless War?...My Response

a lil response i made on another group forum...i was proud i wrote so much. Its kinda informal and i just wrote it all off the top of my head..so i hope you enjoy it or at least learn a little!

...but this is what i said:
in reply to the first lengthy comment by Alex's Angel, i have to say that i see where you are coming from but i also disagree. the fact is, if you were watching the elction day in Iraq you see how many iraqi men and women WANTED to go vote, they knew their lives were at risk...the terrorists made them very aware of what could happen to them if they were to vote. And i applaud them for their tremendous courage and bravery and will for their country. So, if there never was a just cause before, this is surely it.

The middle east has always been a source of contention among the world, well not always, but within the last centuries for sure. The fact is that Islam people, and the Koran actually are very tolerant of other cultures. They are taught to respect people with any religion that has a book they live by, i.e. the bible, and those of the like. So Islam itself is not at all bad, and they do not teach you to blow yourself up. They were taught that if a man dies in battle he goes straight to heaven, and leave it to the extremists to nab young children and virtually brain wash them into thinking Allah's plan for them is to blow these people up. They are very good at taking what the basis of their religion is and twisting it to make people believe that doing the terrorist acts are right.

I have to say, if we had a choice to win this struggle by war, or by "negotiating" and peacemaking, sure, we'd take peace. But we've tried that for years. Between Iraq and Afganhistan we have proven to the rest of the Middle Eastern world that the U.S. means business. Iran and other countries are already getting a little jumpy watching the fight for freedom unfold in Iraq. They see that its what the people want, and they see its working, its only a matter of time before most of the world catches on. Of course it's a shame that men and women's lives have been lost. But i believe it is for a good cause. because of what we do here today, our children, and the world will be a safer less corrupt place. Democracy allows balance, we arent imposing our beliefs or our government on them, we just want the people to be free. Just as you and i are. We want them to have what we have. They dont have to do it the same way. They should be able to chose who is leading THEIR country, and they should be able to speak out and have a voice if they dont agree with what their goverment is doing. Would you like to get shot in the back of the head just cuz you said something as simple as "i dont like bush?" I thought not. The people there will soon have the freedom to say as they feel, not as the should just to save their own life.

Another thing is, there were very few fatalities at the actually invasion of Iraq, it was extremely successful. I'd like to make a reference back to WWII. The Nazis were eventually knocked out of power (after a much longer deadlier stuggle)...but America never real heard much word about what happened there after. Truth is, there were still pockets of Nazis and those in the Axis, that were either never discovered or had escaped from our grasp. And they continued to strike out and rebel against people, and many more innocent people continued to die because of it. We arent fighting pansies, we are fighting willful, hateful, passionate groups that want to win as badly as we do, and some of them will not give up without a fight. And they are doing there best...even tho we dont want them too. So you cant expect them to just thow down their weapons like that (as much as i wish they would). We arent an NFL team playing against pee wees.

And it bothers me how people sure dont care that we threw all this money to tsunami relief to help those in need...but when we go to help those opressed in the middle east...we're imposing!...imposing on who? Saddam??? The only people who dont want us there are the extremists....you know the iraqis do, what are we gonna do leave em there? We gotta make sure that country gets on its feet the right way. Otherwise, all the time and money and lives that have been sacrificed on this thing would go to waste.

Lastly, id like to mention, or at least remind us, that America didnt have a pretty start either..after we broke free from the King all the states wanted to go the seperate ways, the Articles of Confederation (the first constitutional document lasting until 1787) were a load of crap, and the country was un funded, unprotected, and very very unstable. if any country would have chosen to come kick us when we were down, who knows, we might all be speaking spanish. but luckily for us, the Articles Of Confederation were revised, and we have the beautiful country we have here today. Thanks to the founding fathers...and the Bill Of Rights....every American has an equal voice. And the freedom to have that voice and live. We have the ability to grow and learn and create new things. We are all equal, no one born into rank. We earn it. And no matter how much money you make, your vote only counts once. We have the incentive to produce faster and better and smarter, and invent new things. Our country thrives because of its ability to be flexible. And with so many people, especially the media (who dont always report all the details)..we have the ability to keep our government in check. We're lucky we can even be having this discussion period. I'm not saying we are perfect, nothing could be, its impossible, just ask the commies. But we are what we are today because of the Revolutionary war, and the steps we took for the next 50-75 years, to make a good country, great.



*i just wanna make clear im not attacking anyone...when i say you, i mean who ever is reading this....just to make things clear.


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Grayson's response:
the only thing i agreed with was the paragraph about how islam isn't some crazy terrorism based religion. it only turns to terrorism when it becomes fundamentalist. just as in christianity. you said that weve tried peace in the middle east for years...no, we haven't. was the gulf war a war of "negotiation"? and before the gulf war, sadaam and the US had no conflicts. bush sr gave supplied sadaam with his access of weapons of mass destruction. people like you always critisize saddam for killing his own people.... wake up, that was while this country was friendly to him! america didn't care about that at all when it happened. only now it is brought up to be used against him. hey, i'm against sadam as much as anyone, but maybe this country shouldn't have supported him in the first place?? alright, now lets backtack to reagans presidency. the islamic fundamentalists were trained and financed by the cia, among them was, thats right, osama bin laden. why? because afgahnistan was a battlefield of the cold war and the islamic fundamentalists were against the communists just as America was. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. hey, maybe this country shouldn't have trained the islamic fundamentalists either. right? that would make sense. you know, NOT training terrorists. brush up on your history of the middle eastern region and its connections to America.

i dont believe that ANYBODY thinks that we shouldn't have given aid to the tsunami victims. the PROBLEM people had with our aid was the fact that it was something ridiculously small like 300 million dollars. sandra bullick gave $1 million dollars in aid in comparison. also in comparison, this government gives billions, not millions, BILLIONS of dollars to corporations each YEAR.... for no reason (actually, our politicians are paid to give them bailouts, tax breaks etc). maybe the wealthiest country in the world could have given a little more than the lent our leaders found in their pockets.

you said "we're imposing!...imposing on who? saddam???". no, we imposing on the people. you know all the innocent people killed by us bombs? thousands upon thousands. guess how many of our bombs hit saddam? ZERO. we imposed on a nation out of the fucking blue. its called an invasion because we INVADED their country. they didn't ask us to come there. last time we were there (the gulf war) the people started uprising against sadaam and we pulled out of the war and let sadaam put down the uprising. ever notice how NOBODY talks about why we randomly pulled out of the gulf war when sadaam was still in power? i could explain all this to you but im guessing it might be out of your political grasp until you read further on the subject.

also, you seem to be proud of the bill of rights, yet have no problem with it being trashed upon and completely EXTINCT to all those detained in guantanamo bay, cuba.

"every american has an equal voice"? are you kidding me? the poor have the same ability to get their message across as the rich right? heh. "nobody born into rank"? have you ever heard the term "class". people are born into these things called economic "classes". that means, being born into RANK. our votes only count once, but our money can go as far as we want it to. unfortunately we ARE born into different RANKS we DO have different amounts of money and thus different amounts of INFLUENCE AND ECONOMIC POWER. "we have the ability to keep our government in check"? i dont know if you've been watching the news in the last few years, but it wasn't all that long ago that a president took us into WAR for no reason, with no evidence and the people didn't vote on it. oh yeah, that certain president didn't even win the election in the first place. you seem to like the revolutionary war and its principals, i'm sorry but our founding fathers would cry if they heard the things you say in their name.

Posted by gnome chomsky on March 8, 2005 • Tuesday at 11:15 PM
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